Wednesday, November 12, 2014

Witnessing three-in-one

At the Bible conference this past weekend in Concord, N.C., a preacher's wife informed us that their church Sunday school teacher didn't believe in the trinity.

Last spring at the conference in Amish country near Berlin, Ohio, Columbus preacher David Reid, also a lawyer with degrees from Yale and Duke, gave a great message on the absolute necessity of the godhead being three distinct "persons" in one.

Here's an outtake:

“Is there any time in the gospels where Jesus Christ says, ‘Well, the majority text says this and the best reading is this’?" asks Reid.

“What He does is He just quotes the Word of God with the firm conviction that it’s true. He doesn’t appeal to logic, or reason, or anything else. He takes it as a given that it’s available and it’s truthful.

“Well, what God said in Exodus 3, when Moses asked for a description of His name, was, ‘I am that I am.’ There’s no appeal to logic or reason. There’s also no appeal to any creative being. He doesn’t say, ‘You can believe it because so-and-so says that He says I am that I am and that’s sufficient.’

“If you think about that, what’s the Old Testament’s standard of proof? Is one witness enough? Deuteronomy 19:15 says, ‘One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established.’

“What Deuteronomy does is it establishes under the law a principle that two witnesses are required. Notice II Corinthians 13:1: ‘This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.’

“Is the two or three witness’s requirement something that only happened in the Old Testament or is it a standard of proof that God operates according to throughout time? It’s throughout time. It applies during the ‘dispensation of grace.’

“Numbers 35:30: ‘Whoso killeth any person, the murderer shall be put to death by the mouth of witnesses: but one witness shall not testify against any person to cause him to die.’

“That simply says that if all you have is one witness you can’t testify. It’s inadequate. It’s incompetent as a matter of proof.

“Jesus Christ says in John 5:31, ‘If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.’ That’s interesting, isn’t it? Can Jesus Christ lie? No, because we saw it’s impossible for God to lie. What He’s saying is even the testimony of a single member of the godhead is insufficient, according to the standard of the Scripture.

“Verse 32 goes on, ‘There is another that beareth witness of me; and I know that the witness which he witnesseth of me is true.’ Obviously three witnesses is preferable and it’s better than two. What’s interesting to think about is what is the strongest geometric shape? A triangle. When you mount a camera or microphone, what do you mount it on?

“John 1:1 says, ‘In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.’ That tells you clear as can be that God has existed in more than one person. Luke 22:42 says, ‘Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.’

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“Some people will say God is one God and He doesn’t really exist in three persons; He just has three different ‘modes,’ or three different manners of operation, but in that verse isn’t it absolutely clear that there’s a conversation between two different people going on? They’re apparently different persons with different wills and they can have an actual conversation between them.

“Matthew 3:16 says, ‘And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him.’

“God has to exist in three persons or what do you do with that passage? Plainly there’s something going on there that involves three different people all doing something different at the very same time.

“The very fact that God has a Son is a refutation and a disproof of the notion that monotheism in one person is the correct view.

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“God can’t be incomplete and He can’t be dependent on His creation. Does God need something from man or a created being? You know why that matters? If God existed in only one person there would be no one for Him to love in the absence of His creation.

“If there’s only one person in the godhead, there is no one else for God to love. Is there anyone else for God to glorify or to have fellowship with? If God existed in only one person than He would be dependent on some created being in order to have a relationship.

“John 3:35. John 14:31. John 17:24. What happened in eternity past is the three persons of the godhead got together and decided what they were going to accomplish throughout time. They decided they were going to use time to glorify the Lord Jesus Christ.

“John 17:1 says, ‘These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee.’ The reason the three persons of the godhead exist is to glorify one another.

"There’s something very shallow about glorifying yourself but there’s nothing shallow at all about glorifying another person.

“Exodus 3:13 says, ‘And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?’

“There’s a fundamental order to the universe making three the strongest shape. I John 5:7 says, [7] For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.


“Look at verse 8: ‘And there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.’ The idea there is there are three that testify. So there are three that bear record in heaven—the Father, the Word and the Holy Ghost and these three are one.

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“Let me read to you all of verse 7 in the NIV: ‘For there are three that testify:’

“Listen, people tell you that what the modern versions do is change the ‘thees’ and the ‘thous,’ but that’s not all. When you leave them out in verse 7, then it goes to verse 8 and you think all that’s being talked about in the passage is the water, the blood and the Spirit.

“What verse 7 is really about is it’s saying the three members of the godhead in heaven bear record, testifying to the exact same thing. That ensures that God the Father has satisfied the two or three witnesses standard of proof.”

“The three persons of the godhead allow God to testify fully and completely, according to His standard of proof, that He exists, without being dependent on anything else in creation. If there was only one God in one person He couldn’t do that. Apparently there’s a divine design to the universe that reflects the character of God Himself.

“The godhead has to exist with one God in three persons for God to be able to bear fully accurate testimony of Himself without being dependent on anything else in the universe. This allows God to be complete by Himself.

“God didn’t need us to give Himself someone to love. What our role is we have the privilege, honor and the incredible grace of God to participate in the love that already existed between the three members of the godhead before the world began.

“The beauty of tying your terminology and your phrasing and vocabulary to the Word of God is you can always come back to the source and figure out whether you’re right or not. The use of extra-biblical terms cannot lead anywhere else but to confusion. It’s just bound to happen. The scriptural word for ‘trinity’ is godhead.

“Guess how many times the word ‘godhead’ appears in Scripture? Three. Isn’t that interesting? You’d almost think there was a design intelligence that inspired it and put it that way. If you believe coincidences like that are coincidences, my personal opinion is you’re naïve.

“They’re not coincidences. They’re there because in the divine intelligence of God that’s the way it’s been designed.

“I would suggest to you that if all you believed were those three verses and nothing else it would rule out all the other religions of the world as to the godhead.

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Acts 17:29 says, “Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.”

“What that verse tells you is the godhead is fundamentally different from the dumb gods of this world that are carved, made by human hands. It tells you how to think about the molten calf in Exodus, for example.

“Romans 1:18 says, ‘For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness.’

“The first thing that verse tells you is that God’s wrath has been revealed. Does mankind have an awareness of that? Yes, they do. Is the truth elusive, difficult to find and has to be searched out, or is it so close you can actually grip it?

“The first part of the verse tells you it’s a revealed fact that God has wrath against ungodliness. They hold that truth in the midst of unrighteousness, so what that means is man has a keen understanding that he is at enmity with God.

“Verse 19 is a problem for the lost man. It says, ‘Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.’ What they learn is God has power. If God didn’t have any power, but He had all sorts of wrath against sin, no one would care. The verse indicates the godhead is known to man.

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“Daniel 3:24-25 says, ‘Then Nebuchadnezzar the king was astonied, and rose up in haste, and spake, and said unto his counsellers, Did not we cast three men bound into the midst of the fire? They answered and said unto the king, True, O king. [25] He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.'

“What do the modern versions do in that passage? They change it so that it’s the lowercase ‘son’; in fact they change it to ‘a son of the gods,’ but that’s not what it says. It’s the capital Son of God.

“What Romans 19 said is that ‘being understood by the things that are made’ included God’s eternal power in the godhead and Daniel 3:25 is just a proof of that.

“Nebuchadnezzar looks into the fire and what does he think he sees? The Son of God, who is in fact, there! Is Nebuchadnezzar a Bible-believing, Pauline, mid-Acts dispensationalist? NO!

“And yet what happened is when he sees that individual there you can tell by what he says that he has a knowledge that God has a Son. It’s clear as can be!”

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